November 5, 2024

14 thoughts on “Legalization of Pot for Economic Gain?

  1. “…for all practical purposes, the opponents of legalization are obviously in the majority, as outlined pretty clearly by our existing laws.”

    I would be careful with this kind of reasoning. I don’t doubt that if you took a survey, a majority of Americans would be against pot legalization. But just because existing laws make pot illegal does not mean that these laws are supported by a majority of Americans.

  2. Witty article,

    However I must say this. There are plenty of legitimate research documents (Even at Cornell) arguing that Marijuana is in fact less harmful than most drugs legal today. Tobacco is the #1 killer in the United States and its very much legal. Like most other legal drugs (alcohol being the example currently in my head) I think if used sparingly is harmless. However in response to California’s potential legalization, I agree that it does seem a bit odd that weed could be a potential crutch. If marijuana were to be legalized, officials should think long and hard about the side effects and long term effects that it could have on society and the economy. Fast money isn’t necessarily stable.

    Good stuff man,
    Adam Goudarzi

  3. Right – what ultimately counts are the opinions of those able to reform laws. This in itself does not indicate that the majority of Americans are on the illegal side. Perhaps I took some liberty. I will say, however, that although movies and media make it seem as if the commonly held stance is pro-legalization, the said survey would indeed show a majority for unlegalized pot. I find this to be similar to the gay marriage situation; turns out, after all the hubbub, that the majority of Californians did not agree with gay marriage.

  4. the author of this article clearly did not spend very much time researching marijuana. he writes:

    “if there is one time that the pot debate needs to take the backburner, it is in the middle of a major economic crisis.”

    the reasoning here escapes me. many experts believe (see eric schlosser’s book: reefer madness) that marijuana is the number one cash crop in the united states. why would regulation of the nation’s largest grossing crop (corn is the number one LEGAL cash crop) be irrelevant in the midst of an economic crisis? many people do not realize that while the marijuana debate is a social issue, it also has very real and important economic consequences as literally billions of dollars are at stake.

    the author goes on to say:

    “I have enough faith in the historical genius of our Nation’s doctors and physicians to believe that if toking up was as good of a method as chemotherapy, then they would have spilled the beans by now.”

    the author is again confused. no sane person would claim that smoking marijuana is as effective as chemotherapy in treating cancer. furthermore, no one is claiming that marijuana HEALS cancer, as the author seems to believe. he quotes the yahoo.com article as claiming marijuana has the “ability to TREAT THE SYMPTOMS of diseases ranging from cancer to Alzheimer’s.” the article is claiming that marijuana can be used, for instance, to relieve the nausea that cancer patients experience as a result of chemotherapy and allow weak patients to eat more easily. the article does not claim that marijuana is some sort of miracle drug that heals everything from cancer to alzheimer’s.

    the truth is that the united states government spends billions of tax-payer dollars trying to eradicate a plant that is considered by many researchers (see last Sunday’s Sunday Styles section in the new york times) to be far less harmful than cigarettes or even alcohol. state governments like the one in California have two choices: they can do what they are doing now and allow exorbitant amounts of money to fall into the hands of criminals and violent gangs (seems silly to me), or they can end prohibition, tax the plant, and use the money that would have gone to criminals to fund public projects (or in california’s case, use the money to try to get out of debt). marijuana has been used medicinally and recreationally for thousands of years and it is not going anywhere. the sooner people recognize this truth, the sooner people will realize the answer to the marijuana issue is not prohibition, but regulation and education. like the prohibition of alcohol, the prohibition of marijuana has failed. marijuana is more prevalent than ever in the united states and europe and it is fueling violence among gangs (especially on the mexican-us border) similar to the way in which the trafficking of alcohol came under mafia control and fueled violence in the 1920’s.

  5. Hi Joseph, thanks for the comment.

    This write-up was not exactly a thesis paper on marijuana but more of an analysis/rebuttal to the original story in question. Pot is a drug; a drug that, while there is contention that it could serve limited medicinal and pain-soothing purposes, is proven time and again to have many maleffects including mind-alteration. The only denial of this fact nearly always comes from the drug’s abusers and frequent users, so I won’t debate this aspect.

    Therefore the issue of legalizing is, as you say, both social and economic, but also an issue of safety and health. To take a stance on the issue at the premature state which it is in would be detrimental. Sacrificing the further research and development needed to possibly create a functioning system for legalized weed (in order to gain solely monetarily) would be irresponsible, and set a very bad precedent.

    For example, there are certainly health, social, and economic aspects to prostitution. Take a woman who has never been willing to put her health in jeopardy and her personal convictions in question by participating in prostitution. If, one day, the going gets rough and the woman is short on money, would it be right for her to suddenly rescind on her stance just to make a quick buck by turning tricks? I would hope not. Life and history-changing decisions such as these two should not be made hastily under harsh conditions.

    As commenter Adam Goudarzi said above, “fast money isn’t necessarily stable.” My article was not intended to be a treatise on the pros and cons of weed but rather a commentary on the ludacris nature of the article and its interviewees. As far as your claim to the billions of dollars being at stake: you will see the district attorney quoted in the article saying that the big-time illegal growers will not be touched by taxing after legalization.

    Or maybe they will. We’re not sure. That is the whole point. It is possible that money could be brought in through legalization. But there is thorough research, investigation, and planning to be done long before a decision is reached. And certainly not in a time crunch.

  6. “Mind-alteration”? That’s the point!

    All kidding aside Renick, having had this debate with you before, I can say without doubt that your opinions on this topic are unquestionably and excessively clouded by your own personal experiences. I appreciate your effort in discussing marijuana prohibition again, but you have yet to take an acceptably objective stance on the issue. I simply cannot take you seriously when you spend even a word of an article semi-sarcastically deriding these “potheads” who want to twist every shred of logic into an argument for legalization. There are certainly a few fringe nuts out there that demonstrate some of the behavior you describe; but then, there are a few fringe nuts who believe that the government doesn’t have the right to tax them, and you don’t see mention of them in legitimate discussion of federal fiscal policy. I know, you’ll tell me you’re just kidding, but it’s clear to me and I hope your other readers that by mentioning this sort of behavior and not calling it what it is (uncommon and unusual), you clearly demonstrate your bias on this issue, and contribute to the mass ignorance that is the real reason marijuana is still illegal.

    I apologize for going all ad hominem on you; to move back more toward policy-oriented matters, I can certainly see how the raising of this debate by California legislators during our economic crisis seems like washing the deck while the boat’s taking on water. However, it’s not as though the lawmakers in question are quietly taking advantage of this situation to further some malevolent agenda; this debate has been ongoing for several years, and now that there is a possibility that a change in policy could have some direct, positive effects (helping to plug the hole in the boat), it’s showing up in our legislatures and news outlets. I have to disagree with Goudarzi regarding the fleeting nature of marijuana revenue for the state of California; it’s safe to say that marijuana is one crop that isn’t going to just fall off the map, as Harry Anslinger hoped when he pushed for its prohibition in the 1930s. Indeed, the very fact that we’re still having this debate is testament against that.

  7. No kidding aside, Ferenk, my personal experience as both an alternative high school instructor for five years and as a professor for six years was that my most consistently confused, lost, and poorly performing students were “potheads”. Their behavior was most disturbing because they all seemed to not have any reflexive capacity, in that they were completely incapable of even realizing they had a problem. These attitudes ranged from thinking their lives were fine, (even though they were still in an alternative school at twenty) falling asleep in class for hours while drooling on desks, then suddenly awaking with the munchies, to performing oral sex (outside of school) and other crimes so they could buy weed. Most of time their outside reading consisted of hemp times and high times, and they all were extremely low motivated. What troubled me most was that many of these students had high IQs, excellent family situations, and much promise. However, their recreational use became habitual and destructive and left them incapable of caring about anything but getting high. Of course I am aware that these are not scientific studies and are mainly anecdotal – however, you would be hard pressed to find a majority of psychologists, counselors, health care providers or interventionists that believe marijauna usage improves cognitive performance or helps people cope with life. We need more people facing life’s problems soberly and coherently instead of “checking out”. Checking out would be okay, if it were for an hour or two, but too often it becomes checking out for years, and that becomes destructive to the individual and society.

    Even though Osheezie’s article only addressed the importance of being cautious when legalizing drugs as a form of public policy to reduce debt, I couldn’t let slide the overused canard that marijuana is a benign product.

    Even if it were decriminalized, (it is – see Mendocino CO.) or legalized for taxation, California would still be in a financial mess. Any decent accountant, or person knowledgeable of California’s financial mess should note that their problem, like most government problems, is one of too much spending, and fiscal/budgetary irresponsibility.
    Last time I checked, alcohol has been a taxable product since 1933 and most states have not properly managed those revenues; over 33% of car related fatalities are alcohol related and millions of lives have been shattered.
    Sin taxes have never solved our financial problems, and they never will.

  8. I appreciate the response, Cberty. I don’t doubt that marijuana has caused, can cause, and will continue to cause and lead to problems in the lives of otherwise productive individuals; however, I have two responses to this. First, I don’t feel that this fact bears greatly on the legalization debate, because I personally don’t believe that use of the drug would increase much at all with legalization (though I acknowledge the great disagreement over this). Secondly, it’s clear that those who are going to use and abuse marijuana have access to it already; legalization would offer the opportunity to allocate funds to treatment and prevention programs for those for whom the drug has become an issue, instead of sending this money to law enforcement, which clearly has not been able to appreciably curb use.

  9. “First, I don’t feel that this fact bears greatly on the legalization debate, because I personally don’t believe that use of the drug would increase much at all with legalization (though I acknowledge the great disagreement over this).”

    From a purely analytical standpoint, I don’t see any reason why marijuana usage would go up with legalization. Consider the main reasons why people don’t smoke pot regularly: 1) Fear of criminal punishment, 2) aversion to negative health consequences, 3) social stigma of smoking marijuana, 4) not enjoying smoking marijuana. Although I don’t believe that these are huge roadblocks for determined smokers, the cost and availability of marijuana also factor in.

    If pot were to be legalized, potential smokers would no longer face criminal consequences, but all of the other factors (except availability) would still weigh in.

    But the real question is whether or not opponents of legalization would favor marijuana legalization if it were shown to have a net societal benefit. That is, if the total costs incurred from marijuana smoking (unproductive citizens, crimes committed “because” of marijuana, criminal activity associated with the distribution of marijuana, and, of course, the regulation of all these things), were proven to go down, would opponents change their minds? I think not. From my personal experience, opponents of legalization have more conviction in the moral repulsion of the government legalizing something as ‘dangerous’ as marijuana (or cocaine, heroin, prostitution, gambling, organ selling, etc.) than the actual aggregate failure of these policies.

    Interestingly enough, I know a disproportionate number of conservatives who oppose legalization. At the very core of conservative thought is the idea of personal responsibility and trust in the individual. We trust the market for the efficient allocation of goods. But for some reason, if it were not for the government keeping a close eye on people, we would all be a nation of potheads. What happened to the trust in the individual?

  10. “Interestingly enough, I know a disproportionate number of conservatives who oppose legalization. At the very core of conservative thought is the idea of personal responsibility and trust in the individual. We trust the market for the efficient allocation of goods. But for some reason, if it were not for the government keeping a close eye on people, we would all be a nation of potheads. What happened to the trust in the individual?”

    Herein lies the inherent contradiction in the modern conservative movement: the principle of individual freedom above all does not integrate well with Judeo-Christian morality (not that marijuana prohibition has anything to do with religious morality).

    I realize that I’ve forgotten to post an extremely relevant link. The following is a short essay written by Harry Anslinger, the man who was the driving force behind marijuana prohibition in the 1930s. It’s clear by the end of the first short paragraph that the writings (and, one can safely assume, the testimony before Congress) of Mr. Anslinger contained extremely exaggerated accounts of the negative effects of marijuana. In light of this, it’s not surprising that the drug was made illegal; one could not have expected Depression-era lawmakers to have any knowledge of the drug’s effects, and cross-referencing Anslinger’s testimony would have been extremely difficult, he being one of the very few men (supposedly) knowledgeable enough on the topic to appear before Congress.

    http://www.redhousebooks.com/galleries/assassin.htm

    The link below provides a thorough explanation of the process by which the drug was made illegal. It’s difficult to take it completely as fact, although it does cite several literary sources; that said, it is still an interesting and relevant read.

    http://marijuana.drugwarrant.com

  11. Ferenk, of course if you define the “modern conservative movement” in terms of these two ideas you can point out some contradictions. But who says the “modern conservative movement” is defined by these two principles? What is the “modern conservative movement,” and, for that matter “the modern liberal movement”? Rhetorical questions. I merely wish to point out that I would normally press you to qualify such a sweeping statement, but I will let it slide for now.

  12. Well of course Dennis I don’t place you in this modern conservative movement. To clarify, I’m referring mostly to the wing of conservatism that stretches from Limbaugh to Palin, with former president Bush somewhere in the middle; in recent years, this has been arguably the most visible wing of the party, at least until coverage died down in May or so. The two aspects of conservatism I referred to above are undeniably pillars of the philosophies of these three individuals. It’s a bit more complicated with figures like Romney and McCain, the later of whom we saw feebly and unsuccessfully attempt to portray himself as a compromise of political moderate and Bush-Palin-Limbaugh conservative in last year’s election. Your point about sweeping generalizations is well taken however.

  13. Oh, and going back to marijuana for a second, can we please stop using the term “pothead”? Its unnecessarily negative connotations, I feel, outweigh its usefulness as a demographic term. We wouldn’t refer to all who enjoy drinking alcohol as alcoholic, would we?

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